right now, when you look at president obama's proposed spending cuts, a lot of them are leisure. they're cuts in there, for example, that are already agreed upon. in other words, we already have. so you can't really count those. there are other things he called spending cuts which are for wars we're not going to fight. he's going to save a trillion dollars not fighting wars that we're not going to fight anyway. so that's like me saying i'm going to give you a trillion dollars, no, i'm not, and then imagining that somehow i've got that trillion in my pocket all of a sudden. it's not real money. most of the money is coming from tax cuts, from letting the tax cuts expire. that's real money. the spending cuts, we really haven't seen yet. that's what republicans are looking for, is president obama going to tackle entitlement reform? that's where the real money is. >> and do you see -- does it seem as though there really is light at the end of the tunnel, that both sides are working really hard to beat this deadline, it's not just hyperbole but a real commitment to come to terms and an